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Tim Tebow; Chapter 2; NY Jets Begins Tonight
Topic Started: Aug 10 2012, 05:50 PM (1,243 Views)
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The Broncos season last year was the second most amazing thing I've ever seen in sports (first was Eli Mannings final drive agaisnt the undefeated Pats in the superbowl 5-6 years ago).

I don't care if that season was a fluke. I saw soem of the most amzing things in football I've ever seen.

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I don't believe in God, at least not a deity in his way. Doesn't matter though, he's a great person and someone who did what everyone said he couldn't. I wish him and the Jets a good season!

He's an inspiration (at least watch this last video)

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He might get his opportunity soon at this rate. I mean Jets are 2-2 so Im not sure why they are all freakin out but when you lose Revis & Holmes its tough to see your season being so successful then again that's why you have rookies to step up. This is going to be interesting. Alot of comparisons have been made with the broncos last year before Tebow & jets so this year with sanchez. The numbers say that this is just like the situation last year & that Tebow could come in & put the team in a better position like he has in the past.

While I think Tebows ability to have teams rally for him & believe in him to win & get better I think you have one big difference in these Jets than you had in denver. That being the running game. Greene, Powell are not premiere backs & they don't even have the experience to be. If LT was still playing I might believe that Hey maybe Tim can give this team a big change in atmosphere & get them some wins BUT not with that run game. Broncos had & still have McGahee who has been a start & a very good imo before he came to the Broncos, that along with Moreno in the back was great for Tim & the broncos last year. I cant see Tebow repeating what hes done or even coming close with Greene as the back.

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I can't believe this is being debated in the NY Jets team. No wonder they always...never mind. If the Jets start Tebow, I hope they get botched just like they deserve it for putting him in.

Sanchez makes some bad decisions, but overall he is a good QB.

Sure, Tim Tebow will probably get some wins under his belt because of his unorthodox play style. There is no doubt about that. However, teams will catch up and be smart after awhile. If he wants to make it as a qb, he has to re learn everything. His shoulder will probably give out if he continues to throw like he does.

Oh and not to mention the very reason the Jets are doing bad is because they ruin Sanchez's flow by bringing Tebow in. Flow for a QB is extremely important. Did you ever see Brett Favre or Tom Brady get replaced by the backup qb during critical times? Fancy plays just suck and never work.
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So can Tim Tebow do anything for the Jets at 3-6

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So can Tim Tebow do anything for the Jets at 3-6
if they put him in as starter
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How is Tim Tebow going to do anything? The offensive line for the Jets is horrid. He has a slow release. The only thing I could see him doing better is probably escaping the defensive teams pass rush. Other then that, he will likely do worse.

Also, the Jets need to think for their future. If they sit Sanchez right now, they may not be able to trade him for a good price.
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Nov 16 2012, 12:27 AM
How is Tim Tebow going to do anything? The offensive line for the Jets is horrid. He has a slow release. The only thing I could see him doing better is probably escaping the defensive teams pass rush. Other then that, he will likely do worse.

Also, the Jets need to think for their future. If they sit Sanchez right now, they may not be able to trade him for a good price.
That's what the Broncos said, then they played him and went 8-4 and won a playoff game. Sanchez is trash, give a guy with a winning record a chance.


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How is Sanchez trash? If Sanches goes to another team, he'd likely do well. The offensive line is trash.
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How is Sanchez trash?
I don't know the 2nd worst efficiency as QB in the league might show that lol

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If Sanches goes to another team, he'd likely do well. The offensive line is trash.


Uh, NFL has them ranked at around #10 in the NFL. Sanchez gets sacked and hit less than over half starting QBs and their power rank is in the top 5. So, not their fault their QB is trash.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKS_ALLOWED

Granted, it's difficult to rank a whole OL considering it's based mainly on running, but still it at least proves that Sanchez is trash when compared to others. For example they rank Denver at the bottom, but that's not because they suck, it's because Peyton throws the ball a lot.
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Sanchez has only been in the league three/four years. He had Rex Ryan saying they would win the Superbowl. He was put with a ton of pressure on his shoulder as a young quarterback. Some people can't handle the pressure in NY, and Rex Ryan only made it worse.

Granted, Sanchez had some good features on his team, but I don't blame him at all for his bad playing. As far as talent is concerned, he has it. If he goes to another team, he will do better and do well. When I watch him play, he makes smart choices for the most part.

He may not be hit a lot, but he is constantly moving around to escape the pass rush. It is only because he throws it out of bounds that he isn't sacked as many times as he should be.

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Sanchez has been praised for his ability to maintain composure, in spite of defensive pressure, and focus on finding an open receiver on the field thus, allowing him to extend the team's offensive series.[90] In his four-year career, Sanchez has had ten fourth quarter comebacks and twelve game winning drives.[91] His calm demeanor in pressing situations has earned him the respect of Bill Parcells and Sam Wyche and has garnered comparisons to Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Montana.[92]

Sanchez is known for his competitive nature. In December 2010, following dismal performances, Rex Ryan threatened to reduce Sanchez's repetitions with the first-team offense during practice. Sanchez was incensed and at one point was prepared to fight Ryan for his job.[94] Sanchez has also been praised for his arm strength, drawing comparisons to Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Namath.[95] Sanchez has proven to be proficient in short passing situations as well.[6][96]


Edit: Adding Tim Tebow as a back up, only added to Sanchez's pressure. If anything, blame the Jets franchise for being stupid.
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So, now the argument shifts from bad OL to he has too much pressure?

Yeah, that's true because everyone in major markets have that pressure. It doesn't change the facts though, he's not that good, at all. I would happily send him to another team if I were NY whether or not I wanted to start Tebow. He's not a franchise QB and even though we're talking about all this pressure, remember last year when the Jets locker room went off and said he was lazy, didn't try hard enough, and was a sucky leader? He still is those things, just now with a worse performance.
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They'll ride Sanchez out till the end of the year and then draft a QB in the first round. Geno Smith maybe? I can see him being successful in that scheme if they twerk it a little bit. Smash with Shonn and let Geno pick apart the D with intermediate routes on 3rd down. They have some talented guys in the slot there.
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You basically said Sanchez is trash. I am giving you reasons as to why he is performing under his expectations.

I am bringing more reasons as to why Sanchez is a good QB, but is not playing to his performance level.

They both apply in this conversation. His Offensive Line sucks. He has to move around outside the pocket often to get a good throw. Just because he isn't hit doesn't mean he isn't pressured. Not to mention, I saw quite a few drop balls from his receivers at key times.

Please, those comments that he is lazy, not a good leader, etc. Tiki Barber said the same thing about Eli Manning when he had no right too. I've heard it before with Eli Manning which is why I don't buy it with Sanchez.

Tim Tebow isn't any better. They brought him in to bring publicity and make money. I guess that is a good thing if you want to make money, but what does that do for your supposed "franchise" quarterback? It doesn't do anything, but put more pressure on him.
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You basically said Sanchez is trash. I am giving you reasons as to why he is performing under his expectations.

I am bringing more reasons as to why Sanchez is a good QB, but is not playing to his performance level.

They both apply in this conversation. His Offensive Line sucks. He has to move around outside the pocket often to get a good throw. Just because he isn't hit doesn't mean he isn't pressured. Not to mention, I saw quite a few drop balls from his receivers at key times.

Please, those comments that he is lazy, not a good leader, etc. Tiki Barber said the same thing about Eli Manning when he had no right too. I've heard it before with Eli Manning which is why I don't buy it with Sanchez.

Tim Tebow isn't any better. They brought him in to bring publicity and make money. I guess that is a good thing if you want to make money, but what does that do for your supposed "franchise" quarterback? It doesn't do anything, but put more pressure on him.
Been over it his OL IS NOT that bad. At least I'm providing actual stats...

He has pressure, big deal he needs to perform.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan but I doubt he's a great leader. Doesn't change the fact that he's elite though.

They're 3-6, by all means if you want to play a horrible QB go for it. I would rather try something new with a proven winner.


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Brady played college football for, and graduated from, the University of Michigan.[11][12] He was a backup his first two years, while teammate and future NFL quarterback Brian Griese led the 1997 Wolverines to an undefeated season capped by a victory in the Rose Bowl and a share of the national championship. When he enrolled at Michigan, Brady was seventh on the depth chart and had an intense struggle to get some playing time.

Brady was selected with pick #199, a compensatory pick, in the sixth round of the 2000 NFL Draft.[17] According to Michael Holley's book Patriot Reign, the Patriots were considering Brady and Tim Rattay, both of whom had received positive reviews from then-quarterbacks coach Dick Rehbein.[18] Ultimately, the Patriots front office chose Brady. Considering his later achievements, many analysts have called Brady the best NFL draft pick of all time.[19][20][21][22]

Brady started the season as the fourth string quarterback, behind starter Drew Bledsoe and backups John Friesz and Michael Bishop; by season's end, he was number two on the depth chart behind Bledsoe.[23] During his rookie season, he was 1-of-3 passing, for six yards.[24]


Michael Strahan said Eli Manning was a good leader so it must be true right?

I'm sure when people were recruiting Tom Brady, they went specifically for stats too. He did have two great seasons in College which I admit, but his success wasn't solely based on "numbers." He worked hard to get better.

I don't like just basing information on someone's "stats" only. I go by how they play in a game. Stats are just numbers. I played sports myself. It annoyed me to no end when someone used stats as a way to measure how someone is playing. Stats aren't everything in a game.

Take a look at Randy Moss' stats on the 49ers. He must really suck when he only has 2 TD's of the season and 254 yards halfway though. I mean he isn't a HOF or anything. He doesn't get thrown to or triple covered or anything either.

http://www.49ers.com/team/roster/Randy-Moss/e2a6d6ec-fbed-4da5-ba9b-7ba47669e682

Okay, take a shot at using Tim Tebow. See where that gets you. He won't do any better.
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